Phanshy wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:28 am

rizzo wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:49 am Feel like I should clarify that I wasn't giving Dan credit/points for the merch. At the end of the day it's Phil's merch and Phil's concept. I was just having a bit of fun. They're literally attached at the hip.... surely they brainstorm ideas together.

I didn't mean it as a personal attack I guess I just see it a lot and get defensive. I'm not sure how much they discuss YouTube stuff anymore since they apparently hadn't discussed the future of the gaming channel when Phil did his Q&A at vidcon.

liola wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:16 am

Phanshy wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:28 am

rizzo wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:49 am Feel like I should clarify that I wasn't giving Dan credit/points for the merch. At the end of the day it's Phil's merch and Phil's concept. I was just having a bit of fun. They're literally attached at the hip.... surely they brainstorm ideas together.

I didn't mean it as a personal attack I guess I just see it a lot and get defensive. I'm not sure how much they discuss YouTube stuff anymore since they apparently hadn't discussed the future of the gaming channel when Phil did his Q&A at vidcon.

I also didn't mean it as an attack to anyone in particular, I saw it around on the social media sphere and then saw a post here as well and it just.. irks me in a way it's hard to explain, because it happens.. All the time? Maybe not with the same force but it does happen and as far as I remember the opposite doesn't happen when Dan does things. Now my memory is shit and maybe I'm wrong, especially since Dan hasn't done anything in ages, but when he did the Tier List stream to me that sounds more like a Phil idea than anything but I didn't see anyone say that obviously Phil's hand was on it (or maybe there was but not as vocal)

It's obvious that they give each other opinions and advice on things, I don't doubt that, it's the reaction of the phandom that gives me pause. It's like...

Like if they weren't Dan and Phil, but they were a generic straight YouTube couple, and wherever the woman did something good, that people deemed enjoyable for all, then oobviously the man had some input into it, but the opposite doesn't even cross people minds because duh, yeah maybe they TALK but he obviously does things by himself, he doesn't need HER imput. That would give me pause and makes me pull a face.

Yeah, sometimes it feels similar. Obviously we're not talking about misogyny in this case, and I'm well aware I took a harsher example than needed, but that is the vibe it sometimes give.

Anyway, sorry, rant over

Amiaw wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:45 pm We’ve talked about this on Idb before but dan getting credit for Phil things happens when Phil uploads videos, even if dan isn’t mentioned in them, or when Phil tweets, or even when Phil shares stories with us. Not everyone does it and it’s not an attack but even with this quiz there were many comments about people hoping Dan showed up. I’m not trying to start anything but when people say they don’t see that behavior - that Dan is always brought up- it’s not hard to find.

Obviously people care about Dan and this isn’t about that but I’d hope people treat Phil’s videos and projects like this quiz with the same respect they treat Dan’s hypothetical book or project.

I’d even say personally it’s affected how much I talk about Phil here. I used to post more because I was excited about Phil’s videos and wanted to talk about them but this isn’t really a place where Phil conversation happens without it turning into something else. Kind of discouraging when you want to discuss active content.

liola wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:16 am
Like if they weren't Dan and Phil, but they were a generic straight YouTube couple, and wherever the woman did something good, that people deemed enjoyable for all, then oobviously the man had some input into it, but the opposite doesn't even cross people minds because duh, yeah maybe they TALK but he obviously does things by himself, he doesn't need HER imput. That would give me pause and makes me pull a face.

Templeofshame wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:30 pm
Oh, ha, maybe this is where my disconnect is because when I see Dan-branding in "I'd rather be at home" it's a bit of '00s Hot Topic vibes that don't appeal to me at all. I'm glad that people are enjoying this merch concept enough to have relating it to Dan communicate something positive about Dan and not something negative. (I also perceive Phil as generally more creative, which I think is a widespread phandom perspective? but makes it feel less like, thank god Dan is giving Phil ideas and more huh, this is a different tact that is more reminiscent of what we've seen from Dan.)

Templeofshame wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:30 pm

liola wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:16 am
Like if they weren't Dan and Phil, but they were a generic straight YouTube couple, and wherever the woman did something good, that people deemed enjoyable for all, then oobviously the man had some input into it, but the opposite doesn't even cross people minds because duh, yeah maybe they TALK but he obviously does things by himself, he doesn't need HER imput. That would give me pause and makes me pull a face.

Oh, ha, maybe this is where my disconnect is because when I see Dan-branding in "I'd rather be at home" it's a bit of '00s Hot Topic vibes that don't appeal to me at all. I'm glad that people are enjoying this merch concept enough to have relating it to Dan communicate something positive about Dan and not something negative. (I also perceive Phil as generally more creative, which I think is a widespread phandom perspective? but makes it feel less like, thank god Dan is giving Phil ideas and more huh, this is a different tact that is more reminiscent of what we've seen from Dan.)

lefthandedism wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:55 pm

Templeofshame wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:30 pm
Oh, ha, maybe this is where my disconnect is because when I see Dan-branding in "I'd rather be at home" it's a bit of '00s Hot Topic vibes that don't appeal to me at all. I'm glad that people are enjoying this merch concept enough to have relating it to Dan communicate something positive about Dan and not something negative. (I also perceive Phil as generally more creative, which I think is a widespread phandom perspective? but makes it feel less like, thank god Dan is giving Phil ideas and more huh, this is a different tact that is more reminiscent of what we've seen from Dan.)

I don't like this sort of comparison. What does "more creative" even mean? I think they have different strengths, but I'm not sure their different sets of talents can be added up to determine which one is "more creative".

Maybe we can turn that around: which are Phil's, and Dan's, creative strengths?

I'll start: I think Phil is very good at being weird--thinking outside the box, going off in at an unexpected angle, making improbable associations. I think Dan is very good at exploring nuance and (sometimes, not always) nailing the way he tells a story or turns a phrase; relatedly, I think he has good comedic timing.

Amnabell2010 wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:48 pm I never use the forums but I noticed madzilla84 won a prize, and I wondered if that was the same Madzilla from the forums. If so, congratulations!!!

Susanisnotafish wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:59 pm Did anyone catch at the end what Phil said about someone named Mike? Who’s that?

Amiaw wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:00 pm

Susanisnotafish wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:59 pm Did anyone catch at the end what Phil said about someone named Mike? Who’s that?

I heard that too and I’m assuming his manager but maybe it was someone else with the quiz site that was there