human wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:41 pm

BSV wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:37 pm Oh god - you and dan are so married??? i cant believe he accidentally read that (and cant believe someone sent that!) The second hand embarrassment is high!!!!

Lol calm yourself, it was me who sent it and it was a joke, he read it as a joke. I thought his reaction was pretty funny haha. And he's able to decline them quite easily so he didn't accidentally read it. Justttt a jokeeee guysssss, breathe.

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human wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:41 pm

BSV wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:37 pm Oh god - you and dan are so married??? i cant believe he accidentally read that (and cant believe someone sent that!) The second hand embarrassment is high!!!!

Lol calm yourself, it was me who sent it and it was a joke, he read it as a joke. I thought his reaction was pretty funny haha. And he's able to decline them quite easily so he didn't accidentally read it. Justttt a jokeeee guysssss, breathe.

willowgarden wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:51 am

Okay, so we're all obsessed with the idea, "are they orgasm buddies?" I think maybe, probs, yeah, either in the past or currently.

But, as we the phans age and mature, it becomes less about the sex (... y'all....we ain't never gonna know what they do in the bed together unless we laid out in the bed between them) and the forced feminization of Dan Howell and the forced masculine "daddy" of Phil Lester, and our crap tendency to view them as safe stand-in safe fictionalization of the tenderness of masculinity in individuals,

And becomes more about the love they share, in whatever capacity, that foolish way to track and rate mince pies, of rolling our eyes at the food delivery guy, of forcing him to sing you the medal ceremony even though you own the music for it, of having a rave tree for years until you get a big boy apartment and then you might be able to swing a real tree, of keeping him on track by getting that spon and side-seat driving the liveshows, of walls made of windows and koi ponds, and that way you pull a hoodie over the head, browsing silently in a room for hours, because you don't have to speak, just text each other across the house, knowing the other will bring you a Ribena. Eventually. When he stops fussing.

Cause we the fans thought we were in love the idea of the sex, of allowing ourselves to imagine the vulnerability in a relationship with a masc individual. But we're really in love with the idea of starting a story by saying, we were so young when we met.

That's a lot to put on two young men. That's mad pressure. Hope it doesn't harm them, that pressure.

Because you buy a vibrator. They sell them everywhere. But you can't buy a "my person," that hand that reaches out for you in a room full of other people. That's what we have been projecting on D&P all along. And they finally see beyond the lust and are giving the people..... what they really wanted, all along.

Anyway, Phil's lovely. I liked that liveshow. Sign me up for Linguistics with Phil on the main channel.

i think this is something they're just now seeing/realizing, that the pull isn't actually the fetishization (usually) but more the story: the sudden dizzy climb from fan to friend to partner, the day to day drudgery and joy and weirdness of being someone's most important person.

and there's this kind of promise they give the viewers, especially those who are young and haven't had real grown up relationships of any kind, platonic or romantic. it's this promise that look, people can be good to each other and have fun together even after years and good things can last through bad times and it's so important for these kids. and the important part isn't whether they get down and dirty, it's that they've built this life together over nearly a decade and that things you start when you're young can last forever if you work at them.

i think that partly we're calming down a bit, but mostly deppy are seeing us more. and dan's gonna make his innuendos, and phil will too, "accidentally". but behind all the jokes and the leaning in and the borderline fanservice moments, there's a truth they're letting us see; that they are most comfortable with each other and together, that they're a team and they like it that way, and that none of this is changing anytime soon. so maybe that really is what dan means when he says they're going to "give the people what they want" - giving us proof that such a relationship is possible.

(or maybe they're gonna announce their engagement at the end of the last show, who even knows )

dansnose wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:50 am i have a feeling though that they’re going to use this new “beetles” situation as a prompt to move again..... it reminds me of how they used the gas leak as an excuse to move earlier this year

VengefulBlue wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:35 am

willowgarden wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:51 am

Okay, so we're all obsessed with the idea, "are they orgasm buddies?" I think maybe, probs, yeah, either in the past or currently.

But, as we the phans age and mature, it becomes less about the sex (... y'all....we ain't never gonna know what they do in the bed together unless we laid out in the bed between them) and the forced feminization of Dan Howell and the forced masculine "daddy" of Phil Lester, and our crap tendency to view them as safe stand-in safe fictionalization of the tenderness of masculinity in individuals,

And becomes more about the love they share, in whatever capacity, that foolish way to track and rate mince pies, of rolling our eyes at the food delivery guy, of forcing him to sing you the medal ceremony even though you own the music for it, of having a rave tree for years until you get a big boy apartment and then you might be able to swing a real tree, of keeping him on track by getting that spon and side-seat driving the liveshows, of walls made of windows and koi ponds, and that way you pull a hoodie over the head, browsing silently in a room for hours, because you don't have to speak, just text each other across the house, knowing the other will bring you a Ribena. Eventually. When he stops fussing.

Cause we the fans thought we were in love the idea of the sex, of allowing ourselves to imagine the vulnerability in a relationship with a masc individual. But we're really in love with the idea of starting a story by saying, we were so young when we met.

That's a lot to put on two young men. That's mad pressure. Hope it doesn't harm them, that pressure.

Because you buy a vibrator. They sell them everywhere. But you can't buy a "my person," that hand that reaches out for you in a room full of other people. That's what we have been projecting on D&P all along. And they finally see beyond the lust and are giving the people..... what they really wanted, all along.

Anyway, Phil's lovely. I liked that liveshow. Sign me up for Linguistics with Phil on the main channel.

this feels like the truest truth.

i think this is something they're just now seeing/realizing, that the pull isn't actually the fetishization (usually) but more the story: the sudden dizzy climb from fan to friend to partner, the day to day drudgery and joy and weirdness of being someone's most important person.

and there's this kind of promise they give the viewers, especially those who are young and haven't had real grown up relationships of any kind, platonic or romantic. it's this promise that look, people can be good to each other and have fun together even after years and good things can last through bad times and it's so important for these kids. and the important part isn't whether they get down and dirty, it's that they've built this life together over nearly a decade and that things you start when you're young can last forever if you work at them.

i think that partly we're calming down a bit, but mostly deppy are seeing us more. and dan's gonna make his innuendos, and phil will too, "accidentally". but behind all the jokes and the leaning in and the borderline fanservice moments, there's a truth they're letting us see; that they are most comfortable with each other and together, that they're a team and they like it that way, and that none of this is changing anytime soon. so maybe that really is what dan means when he says they're going to "give the people what they want" - giving us proof that such a relationship is possible.

(or maybe they're gonna announce their engagement at the end of the last show, who even knows )

also i'm all for linguist!phil, put that degree to good use for once

dansnose wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:50 am i have a feeling though that they’re going to use this new “beetles” situation as a prompt to move again..... it reminds me of how they used the gas leak as an excuse to move earlier this year

ngl, that was my first thought. am i remembering wrong or did he mention moving because of the beetles (in a joking way)? regardless, i feel like this flat was a short term solution, and they may be moving right before tour starts - it will have been a year exactly, lease will be up (unless its a 2 yr lease or something). maybe i'm crazy, but it seems a bit too coincidental to me.