phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am
Also, this would be ideal time to film a gaming video with martyn and cornelia, just saying.

OMG be still my heart I might actually die of excitement if this became a reality

ETA: goddammit was not expecting this to be the first post on a new page

ame wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:05 pm
re:dans fuckboy selfie

before i went to bed, people were being downright demon on tumblr talking about the casual red shirt hanging on the bushes behind dan and now i wake up to people discussing his nipples
i cant i should stop posting online while half awake

i went back to check the red shirt and i'm so confused by... everything? because on the picture the shirt is hanging in a weird way, so does that mean that it's dan who actually took the picture at a weird angle? sorry i just got so confused but this shirt/angle thing haha

alittledizzy wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:45 pm

phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am Last comment on mental health and d&p, I disagree with assigning them to be on the spectrum of anything or describe them as struggling with something unless they specifically put it in those words. Dan HAS opened up about depression, and has made some agoraphobia and social anxiety jokey comments, but Phil hasn't to my knowledge. He has said "I used to be very shy and now I'm more confident" and has described moments of feeling anxious or nervous, but not "I used to have very bad anxiety". Not every quirk someone describes about themselves is to be taken as a symptom. I know (hey I have some minor mental health issues myself) that it's very common and shouldn't be taken as an insult or whatever, but they can't be the poster boys for everything we'd like them to be. Dan has depression, and that's all we know for certain.

This is actually a total mirror of the conversations that were had before the depression video. There was a whole chunk of phandom who was diehard convinced that Dan just used depression jokes as releatable humor and handwaved all the signs of it because they didn't believe someone who had as many options available to him would be depressed, or would point to all the times that Dan was fine on a stage or traveling and seemed happy, etc, as not something a depressed person would do. (Of course, there were also the people furious that Dan would 'pretend' or play up depression symptoms for views, but that's a whole different topic and much less relatable to this.)

I actually have the same opinion now as I did then; I am not a fan of ignoring obvious signs of something. I think we shouldn't make total assumptions but I think totally dismissing it is equally iffy to me. I also don't think it's unreasonable to look at someone who describes (just plucking out a couple random examples from memory) himself as shaking and wanting to leave through half of a show for fear of being called on stage, or being so anxious about telling someone no that he literally threw up and still didn't say anything, as having social anxiety. I myself described it as Phil just having an anxious personality but there are indications that it's more than a 'personality quirk' (imo the biggest one being the gym video). We won't know anything until he says, but the conversation isn't based in nothing - just like people suspecting Dan was depressed for the depression video wasn't based on nothing.

yeah, but in my experience a psychologist would take into account not one extraordinary circumstance -or a few- (like the gym situation), but rather every day life, how well a person adjusts and is able to cope with daily ocurrences, in addition to how much the feelings the subject experiences actually limit or cause suffering, and to what extent.
with the vomit thing, I'm not saying it's a "normal" response free of stress or anxiety, but a lot of people can get carried away and end up doing stupid shit to avoid embarrassment or because they feel under pressure (from a coach, from an authoritative figure, in an unfamiliar environment). Phil is more than able to deal with all kinds of things in his every day life, hasn't expressed suffering from little things he finds difficult, more than feelings of awkwardness or nervousness, especially as years goes by and he's able to navigate more and more all kinds of new interactions and circumstances.

(I also want to add the context that with performers, especially people who do anything in the comedic spectrum, a lot of what they say is just because it sounds funny or creates a certain funny image or a certain effect, very often just 10% of it is rooted in truth, sometimes only 1%. More so if they've been doing it for a while and the beginner urge to express themselves gives way to the professional creative challenge of keeping a career in entertainment and doing cool shit. D&P are not your typical comedians per se, but they have heavily comedic brains in that sense, so what they say should always be taken with a pinch of salt imo)

I guess we mainly disagree in that I don't think it's up to us to ignore OR acknowledge anything regarding their mental health unless it's to explain behaviour or dynamics that affect the audience-creator relationship, which with Dan, it did.
With Phil, sticking onto him a diagnosis of sorts is just piecing stuff together to reach conclusions about how he behaves or his motivations in his private life, off camera. Even if he had anxiety, it hasn't affected or has not manifested at all with his audience except as material for his content, and always portrayed in a light way -he mentions cringing in videos of his young self but doesn't really cringe, for example- (unlike Dan, who gets frustrated and suffers or has suffered because of it).

Another factor is that I don't want young people, especially teenagers, thinking the only options are on one hand a perfect 100% well-adjusted standard of pure mental health, and on the other if anything feels uncomfortable immediately means you have failed to reach it so you're forever doomed to not be mentally okay. There are a lot of grey areas in behaviour and feelings which don't necessarily mean there's a broader underlying disorder or pathology going on.
I'm all for mental health discussion but over-diagnosis especially in such intangible things is very serious, that's why I don't like speculating publicly in those terms unless there's confirmation.

Ataraxia25 wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:23 pm

ame wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:05 pm
re:dans fuckboy selfie

before i went to bed, people were being downright demon on tumblr talking about the casual red shirt hanging on the bushes behind dan and now i wake up to people discussing his nipples
i cant i should stop posting online while half awake

i went back to check the red shirt and i'm so confused by... everything? because on the picture the shirt is hanging in a weird way, so does that mean that it's dan who actually took the picture at a weird angle? sorry i just got so confused but this shirt/angle thing haha

i mean, obviously they were exercising..................to be in shape...........for the tour.......and now theyre drying their clothes cz...sweat.... made it wet....................ya know.....#justbrothings

Ataraxia25 wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:23 pm

ame wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:05 pm
re:dans fuckboy selfie

before i went to bed, people were being downright demon on tumblr talking about the casual red shirt hanging on the bushes behind dan and now i wake up to people discussing his nipples
i cant i should stop posting online while half awake

i went back to check the red shirt and i'm so confused by... everything? because on the picture the shirt is hanging in a weird way, so does that mean that it's dan who actually took the picture at a weird angle? sorry i just got so confused but this shirt/angle thing haha

I'm pretty sure the shirt is draped over a glass balcony which is why it looks odd from that angle
Tour merch is live!

phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:29 pm

alittledizzy wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:45 pm

phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am Last comment on mental health and d&p, I disagree with assigning them to be on the spectrum of anything or describe them as struggling with something unless they specifically put it in those words. Dan HAS opened up about depression, and has made some agoraphobia and social anxiety jokey comments, but Phil hasn't to my knowledge. He has said "I used to be very shy and now I'm more confident" and has described moments of feeling anxious or nervous, but not "I used to have very bad anxiety". Not every quirk someone describes about themselves is to be taken as a symptom. I know (hey I have some minor mental health issues myself) that it's very common and shouldn't be taken as an insult or whatever, but they can't be the poster boys for everything we'd like them to be. Dan has depression, and that's all we know for certain.

This is actually a total mirror of the conversations that were had before the depression video. There was a whole chunk of phandom who was diehard convinced that Dan just used depression jokes as releatable humor and handwaved all the signs of it because they didn't believe someone who had as many options available to him would be depressed, or would point to all the times that Dan was fine on a stage or traveling and seemed happy, etc, as not something a depressed person would do. (Of course, there were also the people furious that Dan would 'pretend' or play up depression symptoms for views, but that's a whole different topic and much less relatable to this.)

I actually have the same opinion now as I did then; I am not a fan of ignoring obvious signs of something. I think we shouldn't make total assumptions but I think totally dismissing it is equally iffy to me. I also don't think it's unreasonable to look at someone who describes (just plucking out a couple random examples from memory) himself as shaking and wanting to leave through half of a show for fear of being called on stage, or being so anxious about telling someone no that he literally threw up and still didn't say anything, as having social anxiety. I myself described it as Phil just having an anxious personality but there are indications that it's more than a 'personality quirk' (imo the biggest one being the gym video). We won't know anything until he says, but the conversation isn't based in nothing - just like people suspecting Dan was depressed for the depression video wasn't based on nothing.

yeah, but in my experience a psychologist would take into account not one extraordinary circumstance -or a few- (like the gym situation), but rather every day life, how well a person adjusts and is able to cope with daily ocurrences, in addition to how much the feelings the subject experiences actually limit or cause suffering, and to what extent.
with the vomit thing, I'm not saying it's a "normal" response free of stress or anxiety, but a lot of people can get carried away and end up doing stupid shit to avoid embarrassment or because they feel under pressure (from a coach, from an authoritative figure, in an unfamiliar environment). Phil is more than able to deal with all kinds of things in his every day life, hasn't expressed suffering from little things he finds difficult, more than feelings of awkwardness or nervousness, especially as years goes by and he's able to navigate more and more all kinds of new interactions and circumstances.

(I also want to add the context that with performers, especially people who do anything in the comedic spectrum, a lot of what they say is just because it sounds funny or creates a certain funny image or a certain effect, very often just 10% of it is rooted in truth, sometimes only 1%. More so if they've been doing it for a while and the beginner urge to express themselves gives way to the professional creative challenge of keeping a career in entertainment and doing cool shit. D&P are not your typical comedians per se, but they have heavily comedic brains in that sense, so what they say should always be taken with a pinch of salt imo)

I guess we mainly disagree in that I don't think it's up to us to ignore OR acknowledge anything regarding their mental health unless it's to explain behaviour or dynamics that affect the audience-creator relationship, which with Dan, it did.
With Phil, sticking onto him a diagnosis of sorts is just piecing stuff together to reach conclusions about how he behaves or his motivations in his private life, off camera. Even if he had anxiety, it hasn't affected or has not manifested at all with his audience except as material for his content, and always portrayed in a light way -he mentions cringing in videos of his young self but doesn't really cringe, for example- (unlike Dan, who gets frustrated and suffers or has suffered because of it).

Another factor is that I don't want young people, especially teenagers, thinking the only options are on one hand a perfect 100% well-adjusted standard of pure mental health, and on the other if anything feels uncomfortable immediately means you have failed to reach it so you're forever doomed to not be mentally okay. There are a lot of grey areas in behaviour and feelings which don't necessarily mean there's a broader underlying disorder or pathology going on.
I'm all for mental health discussion but over-diagnosis especially in such intangible things is very serious, that's why I don't like speculating publicly in those terms unless there's confirmation.

I'm not keen on the idea of saying that mental health that isn't perfectly neutotypical is being 'doomed' to not be mentally okay. I think (and we're in pure hypothetical here) even if Phil did have social anxiety, he and Dan would both be fantastic examples of how you can function and flourish and cope with things. I think that's why so many people with depression gravitated toward Dan (before confirmation in video form), and felt really proud and personally inspired when he made that video. Actual diagnosis or not, if people look at Phil and see in him something that they've been embarrassed or ashamed of in themselves- hey, that guy is describing the same things I feel, but if he's able to look back on situations and laugh then so can I, right? - then I don't see it as a bad thing, hence why speculation and projection up to a certain point is allowed here.

alittledizzy wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:43 pm I'm not keen on the idea of saying that mental health that isn't perfectly neutotypical is being 'doomed' to not be mentally okay. I think (and we're in pure hypothetical here) even if Phil did have social anxiety, he and Dan would both be fantastic examples of how you can function and flourish and cope with things. I think that's why so many people with depression gravitated toward Dan (before confirmation in video form), and felt really proud and personally inspired when he made that video. Actual diagnosis or not, if people look at Phil and see in him something that they've been embarrassed or ashamed of in themselves- hey, that guy is describing the same things I feel, but if he's able to look back on situations and laugh then so can I, right? - then I don't see it as a bad thing, hence why speculation and projection up to a certain point is allowed here.

Let me clarify I wasn't saying that myself, I was putting those words in hypothetical young people's minds and mouths. Like I said, I have some mental health issues of my own, so I wouldn't be that insensitive.
I agree both d&p can be "useful" in that sense, as examples of people who can have a good life despite some awkwardness or anxiety (or depressive episodes) for people who can relate, although I don't see the need in reaching a conclusive diagnosis for that. It's two sides of the same coin really. Mine would be they're good examples that you can have certain feelings or behaviours that may seem "abnormal" but don't necessarily mean you suffer from a specific diagnosis, but are maybe just a naturally flawed human.

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Dan looks so different all the time! But really good in those photos.
And aw, the beach walk at night. Lovely stuff.

@ame yeah.................. that's what i thought too......................

@obsessivelymoody aah thank you!! i get it! i was so so confused!

What a damn model.
Also.... not to be that person that constantly compares, but he looks especially like his brother in that last picture. I think it's the way he's angling his face. Aaaanyway, v pretty.

Night-time beach walks! CUTE AF!!!

Ooh, that beach looks nice. I’m more excited by the scenery than them (could do with a holiday somewhere like that), though Dan does look lovely. The cut-off above the nipples reminds me of him censoring them in a video a year or two ago and he said he found it funny to do that, but this could be more about being a bit self-conscious.

Did anyone else find the newsletter email about the tour merch didn’t sound like they’d written it? It didn’t have Phil’s spark, anyway, the going outside, heh heh part sounded generic.

ETA - omfg the second photo on Dan’s Instagram, be still my beating heart. Boy, where did he spring that face from? Looks like he knows just how cute he is, gorgeous little git.

Andy wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:16 pm Wow. Dan's selfie sure is...... something. I wonder if i'm the only one who finds the "exposing" selfies from Dan uncomfortable rather than hot? I do find him attractive, but never in photos like this. I guess i have a double standard, since if this would have been a Phil selfie, i would be all over it

I feel the same way. I much prefer the pics we just got of him wearing the merch. Merch I'm tempted to buy, even if I certainly don't need any more clothes.
Though if Phil were to take a pic like that I think that would make me uncomfortable too.

Maybe Dan doesn't want to share his nipple piercing(s). Which I don't think he has but when Phil said nipple piercing were the piercings "everyone talks about getting" in the Google Feud video, I assumed 'everyone' meant 'Dan'. So maybe someday.

Is the striped shirt in the background/foreground/this-photo-is-confusing the one from their pre-America-II fashion liveshow that Phil didn't like? I found it funny Dan never ended up wearing that one.

@Andy You're not the only one uncomfortable! For me, I think Dan is very pretty, but photos like that always make me go 'eek danny no don't show the internet your vulnerable underbelly, don't you know we have claws?' Which of course he does know, and he's a big boy who can do as he pleases. But I think the shirtless photo is posted in IG stories rather than someplace people can directly comment beneath it for good reason, as Dan is always testing those waters.

^^ I always kinda felt like that about Dan's selfies, but I actually found this one to be quite beautiful. I think because it is a bit more artsy than fuckboy, and I absolutely gravitate towards that. I mean, of course it was self-indulgent, but he is certainly a gorgeous human.

phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:29 pm yeah, but in my experience a psychologist would take into account not one extraordinary circumstance -or a few- (like the gym situation), but rather every day life, how well a person adjusts and is able to cope with daily ocurrences, in addition to how much the feelings the subject experiences actually limit or cause suffering, and to what extent.
with the vomit thing, I'm not saying it's a "normal" response free of stress or anxiety, but a lot of people can get carried away and end up doing stupid shit to avoid embarrassment or because they feel under pressure (from a coach, from an authoritative figure, in an unfamiliar environment). Phil is more than able to deal with all kinds of things in his every day life, hasn't expressed suffering from little things he finds difficult, more than feelings of awkwardness or nervousness, especially as years goes by and he's able to navigate more and more all kinds of new interactions and circumstances.

I don't necessarily agree with this. You can have anxiety without it affecting your daily life, so I don't think by saying someone deals with their everyday life just fine then it means they don't have anxiety. Everyone experiences anxiety differently, and you can definitely have diagnosed anxiety and still function completely fine in most every day life occurrences. I think it's totally plausible phil could have anxiety based on the stories we've heard, even if he does in fact manage day to day life just fine. I'm not saying he definitely does, but I think it's fine for people to talk about the possibility. As long as nobody is saying he definitely suffers from anxiety and actually trying to diagnose him with it, I think it's fine for people to compare experiences and talk about it, especially if it helps people to actually talk about it in general.

whatdoiknow wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:12 pm

phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:29 pm yeah, but in my experience a psychologist would take into account not one extraordinary circumstance -or a few- (like the gym situation), but rather every day life, how well a person adjusts and is able to cope with daily ocurrences, in addition to how much the feelings the subject experiences actually limit or cause suffering, and to what extent.
with the vomit thing, I'm not saying it's a "normal" response free of stress or anxiety, but a lot of people can get carried away and end up doing stupid shit to avoid embarrassment or because they feel under pressure (from a coach, from an authoritative figure, in an unfamiliar environment). Phil is more than able to deal with all kinds of things in his every day life, hasn't expressed suffering from little things he finds difficult, more than feelings of awkwardness or nervousness, especially as years goes by and he's able to navigate more and more all kinds of new interactions and circumstances.

I don't necessarily agree with this. You can have anxiety without it affecting your daily life, so I don't think by saying someone deals with their everyday life just fine then it means they don't have anxiety. Everyone experiences anxiety differently, and you can definitely have diagnosed anxiety and still function completely fine in most every day life occurrences. I think it's totally plausible phil could have anxiety based on the stories we've heard, even if he does in fact manage day to day life just fine. I'm not saying he definitely does, but I think it's fine for people to talk about the possibility. As long as nobody is saying he definitely suffers from anxiety and actually trying to diagnose him with it, I think it's fine for people to compare experiences and talk about it, especially if it helps people to actually talk about it in general.

I agree with this. I have rather severe anxiety and was still able to function like a regular person, worked a very demanding job, etc. for a few years now. It's not that high-stress situations don't affect me, they really do, but you don't always have the space to give in to your own feelings as an adult, you can't just go freaking out while you're at work or in public, if you can at all avoid it. That stuff always catches up to me later in the worst ways.
I realize this sounds very anecdotal and is in no way related to Phil. I just don't want us to dismiss the possibility simply because he's managing his daily life just fine (which he isn't always, according to his stories). I also don't want to imply that he definitely suffers from anything at all (other than dairy addiction )

I believe Phil has used the word "anxiety" when referring to himself before, but I don't have the energy to dig through liveshows to prove that. Even if he doesn't have anxiety, let's remember that high-functioning people who have a mental illness do exist and a lot of people are deeply affected but don't let it show most of the time.

This is slightly off topic but I can definitely see them going to see this once they recuperate from tour.
What a perfect thing for them to put on Stories... See guys you can keep posting and going outside

ame wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:05 pm
thanks for your input! unfortunately, i didnt have the intention to label them but if it seemed as if was, sorry ! i was mostly thinking that different people experience and react to depression and anxiety differently and it reminded me of a spectrum. although, i guess i didnt know how to phrase it.

while phil hasnt really outright said he has "anxiety" (the illness), he has shared some experiences where it was obvious that he experiences anxiety (the verb) about social interactions to some extent. usually more strongly with confrontations in person. i wouldnt diagnose nor label him as someone who suffers from clinical depression/anxiety and no one in this fandom should anyways because we arent their doctors/therapists. but i do think that its sometimes fun to dissect and speculate certain interactions theyve done and its fine so long as we dont end up forgetting our boundaries.

No need to be sorry at all! we can have different opinions.

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@Ablissa and @whatdoiknow,
I myself have suffered from high functioning depression (among other "lesser" things) since early childhood and have years and years of therapy on me, so I know first hand that being able to function in daily life doesn't negate having mental health issues.
The distinction I was making, and is a distinction lots of psychologists use, is that I was talking about how a key element we don't have is how Phil FEELS in his core about those things, not the fact that he's able to do them. Is he able to deal with them painfully and with a lot of difficulty? Or does he get nervous with huge things like playing a gigantic theatre - as most humans would in his place - but then ends up enjoying them? Does he get anxious before making a phone call and regrets a social faux pas during the conversation but then mentally moves on, or dwells on it for days feeling angst and sadness?
There are many details that we don't know that could offer more information than Phil just mentioning he got nervous or got stressed out related to specific events, which could get us audience members to figure out if he has actual anxiety - as a diagnosis - or not.

I've been watching him since 2008/9, and though I see him as yes, having anxieties or certain fears, being a bit of a control freak, someone who masked insecurity more than we think but in recent years has replaced a lot of it with confidence and peace of mind, really, I've never thought of him as struggling with actual mental illness, of any degree.
And I want to bring back my point that they're entertainers and I bet more often than it seems they "share" stuff more intending to be funny or entertaining than to get honest and real. Both of them make an effort in re-telling stories to make them compelling. That's why I disagree completely with the illusion that liveshows are chats with friends. To me they're more like relaxed performances and press conferences.
A recent example is Phil saying he cried the other day. If Dan hadn't interjected to clarify, maybe we would've been left with the idea that Phil is so sensitive! that he got all emosh thinking about the hobbit when really, he appreciated it but that was that.
But it's just my perception. Of course I could be wrong.

My opinion is that right now we can't reach a conclusion, and it's not necessary to have some specific diagnosis, like was mentioned before, to be a nice example or an inspiration to people who experience similar feelings and have been diagnosed, or haven't been diagnosed but are going through a similar situation.

ame wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:36 pm

Ataraxia25 wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:23 pm

ame wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:05 pm
re:dans fuckboy selfie

before i went to bed, people were being downright demon on tumblr talking about the casual red shirt hanging on the bushes behind dan and now i wake up to people discussing his nipples
i cant i should stop posting online while half awake

i went back to check the red shirt and i'm so confused by... everything? because on the picture the shirt is hanging in a weird way, so does that mean that it's dan who actually took the picture at a weird angle? sorry i just got so confused but this shirt/angle thing haha

i mean, obviously they were exercising..................to be in shape...........for the tour.......and now theyre drying their clothes cz...sweat.... made it wet....................ya know.....#justbrothings

Yeah, I totally agree. I hate that argument. At best it’s a pre-teen notion of: OMG!1!! They’ve seen each others skin! They must be having sex!. And at worst it’s a purely homophobic: if two men are less that fully clothed when together they must be gay for each other (unless it's connected to sport obvs).

rizzo wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:29 pm I am of the opinion that Dan's not ~censoring his nips for the kids~ but rather that he's probably still a bit too self-conscious to share a full shot of his post-4th-puberty chest.

i just assume that he doesn't even have nipples since he didn't outright show us them so it doesn't seem very likely to me... yeah we seen them in the past, but what does that mean in this day and age? nothing! if he doesn't want nipples then he doesn't have to have them, phil probably took them anyway.
and before anyone argues that we seen them in WITL this year, we technically didn't even get a confirmation. we seen an outline of nipples but they were probably fake and they just want to get views. that's why it was advertised in an Instagram story when dan decided to wear the "nipple" shirt again, ticket sales were probably going down.
wanna know who else doesn't have nipples? reptiles. after the tour they're just gonna take off their human suits and reveal themselves as the true government scaleys they are...
when phil tweeted out that he stepped on a lizard, it was just a way to throw us off from the truth. why would he hurt his own kind?
wait... or,, maybe DAN is the only scaley and HE'S in danger?! phil squashed dan confirmed.

i'm sorry for all of that, i am very bored and alone. this could've been avoided if there were to be a new video tonight. plz.

ratlad wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:04 pm i just assume that he doesn't even have nipples since he didn't outright show us them so it doesn't seem very likely to me... yeah we seen them in the past, but what does that mean in this day and age? nothing! if he doesn't want nipples then he doesn't have to have them, phil probably took them anyway.
and before anyone argues that we seen them in WITL this year, we technically didn't even get a confirmation. we seen an outline of nipples but they were probably fake and they just want to get views. that's why it was advertised in an Instagram story when dan decided to wear the "nipple" shirt again, ticket sales were probably going down.
wanna know who else doesn't have nipples? reptiles. after the tour they're just gonna take off their human suits and reveal themselves as the true government scaleys they are...
when phil tweeted out that he stepped on a lizard, it was just a way to throw us off from the truth. why would he hurt his own kind?
wait... or,, maybe DAN is the only scaley and HE'S in danger?! phil squashed dan confirmed.

i'm sorry for all of that, i am very bored and alone. this could've been avoided if there were to be a new video tonight. plz.

Forget busgate, bedgate and phangate..

IT'S TIME FOR NIPPLEGATE. Gonna wait for some #nippleproof

Andy wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:16 pm Wow. Dan's selfie sure is...... something. I wonder if i'm the only one who finds the "exposing" selfies from Dan uncomfortable rather than hot? I do find him attractive, but never in photos like this. I guess i have a double standard, since if this would have been a Phil selfie, i would be all over it

I feel the same way! I don't really find Dan attractive, but I've never had such a reaction to a selfie of his like I did for this one, I'm a bit ashamed to admit that I shuddered when I first saw it haha I don't know what it was about it, but I can't stomach it

ratlad wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:04 pm

rizzo wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:29 pm I am of the opinion that Dan's not ~censoring his nips for the kids~ but rather that he's probably still a bit too self-conscious to share a full shot of his post-4th-puberty chest.

i just assume that he doesn't even have nipples since he didn't outright show us them so it doesn't seem very likely to me... yeah we seen them in the past, but what does that mean in this day and age? nothing! if he doesn't want nipples then he doesn't have to have them, phil probably took them anyway.
and before anyone argues that we seen them in WITL this year, we technically didn't even get a confirmation. we seen an outline of nipples but they were probably fake and they just want to get views. that's why it was advertised in an Instagram story when dan decided to wear the "nipple" shirt again, ticket sales were probably going down.
wanna know who else doesn't have nipples? reptiles. after the tour they're just gonna take off their human suits and reveal themselves as the true government scaleys they are...
when phil tweeted out that he stepped on a lizard, it was just a way to throw us off from the truth. why would he hurt his own kind?
wait... or,, maybe DAN is the only scaley and HE'S in danger?! phil squashed dan confirmed.

i'm sorry for all of that, i am very bored and alone. this could've been avoided if there were to be a new video tonight. plz.

At this point I'm accepting that I'm gonna have to tell you that I adore you at least once a week, so be it.

Now the real question is, where is my Phil shirtless selfie? Or at least a picture of him modeling the merch? How much d vitamin did Dan enjoy that he's the one who did the spon? So many questions...


ON the topic of Phil and anxiety I think I pretty much agree with everthing @Ablissa said. I see a lot of anxious traits in the way Phil act and talks about certain things, sometimes even more so than Dan. There's no way for us to know any of it, but I gotta admit it struck me when he tweeted earlier this morning and used the word therapy. I always thought someone sharing their life with someone who is in therapy and struggles with mental health must be somewhat accustomed with therapy, whether from direct experience or just closeness to it. I know it's never happening but god I would love a in depth video of being with someone struggling through mental health and how to help them cope with it and how it affects one self. I always find the people around me awkward and not knowing how to deal when my mental illness is taking over, and I think an opinion like that would be helpful.

@ratlad ok but....what if dan has been throwing us red herrings all along...what if....hes not only a lizard....what if he is a HUGE ass fire lizard? what if hes a dragon?

think about it. his old name "danisnotonfire"...because dragons cant burn. him being a furry is because in actuality he likes to hoard warm, adorable, furry living beings and who else is warm, adorable and furry? PHIL.

the conspiracy board is growing, we must go deeper !!!!!!!!!!1!!!111

Philena wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm ^^ I always kinda felt like that about Dan's selfies, but I actually found this one to be quite beautiful. I think because it is a bit more artsy than fuckboy, and I absolutely gravitate towards that. I mean, of course it was self-indulgent, but he is certainly a gorgeous human.

Agree with this post! I found the pose interesting and enjoyed the aesthetic, despite the actual content itself......



Now this first one is a pic that gets my heart beating faster, damn that pretty, fluffy head!

ame wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:52 pm @ratlad ok but....what if dan has been throwing us red herrings all along...what if....hes not only a lizard....what if he is a HUGE ass fire lizard? what if hes a dragon?

think about it. his old name "danisnotonfire"...because dragons cant burn. him being a furry is because in actuality he likes to hoard warm, adorable, furry living beings and who else is warm, adorable and furry? PHIL.

the conspiracy board is growing, we must go deeper !!!!!!!!!!1!!!111

I think we can add this [3:53] as strong evidence in favor of your "Dan is a dragon" hypothesis. I mean, he's basically already admitted it.