Levitating wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:07 pm

sometimes I wonder whether Dan has secretly enrolled in a Sociology course somewhere because YES, he totally sounds like one - although, without the depth I would expect from a university-level learning.

Catallena wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:58 pm

he lives! he deserves all the fries and dips.

rizzo wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:20 pm

Catallena wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:32 pm I'm amused about Phil's Tiktoks actually being pretty decent content, as opposed to most of his YouTube shorts.

probably because he recognizes there's money in tiktok

tinaoe wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:08 pm

rizzo wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:20 pm

Catallena wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:32 pm I'm amused about Phil's Tiktoks actually being pretty decent content, as opposed to most of his YouTube shorts.

probably because he recognizes there's money in tiktok

is there, though? tiktok revenue is notoriously fucked up, hank green made a video on it ages ago. essentially they have a pool of money that just gets split between views, meaning the more successful tiktok becomes the less money you get per view. and the revenue per view is much lower than any on another platform. i always see tiktok people trying to transition to some long form content on yt asap

jmorton wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:15 pm Because I had some time on my hands I went back and looked at some Phil videos that he has not yet privated from his earliest days. I came to a very interesting conclusion doing a deep dive. I'll put it in a spoiler because it will be sorta long. In case anyone wants to read:

There is a video that, for some reason, still exists on Phil's channel that doesn't have many views but is probably the most instructive video of who I believe Phil actually is and not this persona he has put on since Dan and Phil moved to London.



I'll call your attention to Phil's basic demand that his actor friend show him his six pack. Confident, extremely sexual and slightly unnerving. This was the Phil I remember pre 2009. Could you imagine even 2011 Phil doing that? It's a change in tone and personality that is startling if you saw any of Phil's videos as time has marched on. He has privated so many videos from this era, ostensibly because he finds them cringey or he might find them problematic right now but as someone who started watching Phil pre-Dan it is weird to think about how much he has changed because he has sort of erased his own history. Here is Phil living the dream of being in a movie, strutting around confidently. In his element. It is jarring to see how much he changed.

Fast forward to Phil's Stereo video from 2020 when he announces he and Dan are buying a house:



Something that I think went under-spoken about is Phil casually mentioning he has pitched countless projects to YouTube, including a SciFi show that didn't pan out (timestamp 27:34). The interesting thing ... it sounds like this was a "Phil" only project. I, for one, would LOVE to see a SciFi Phil project. Talk about a perfect fit! I have a theory that since Phil subverted his on-camera persona to become more of a sidekick it leads people to underestimate all the creative shit he did prior to 2009. I think since Phil has sort of erased the thing that made him so unique prior to 2009, he has sort of cut off his nose to spite his face. Also it sounded in the video like Dan wanted to move on from it because you can clearly see it bothers Phil quite a bit.

I do wonder if Phil hadn't subverted his established persona so much if other things would have been open to him. Like that show that PJ did about 7 years ago. I want to make clear, I'm not blaming Dan for this ... I am saying Phil made calculated decisions to further his career in radio and on youtube. However the unintended consequence is he got trapped into being Dan's sidekick (not Dan's intention) and it's kind of kept him from doing what (IMO) he truly wants to do. Imagine a guy who made "The Basket" doing a SciFi show? Amazing.

This is why I was so encouraged by that AI video Phil did. It had that classic, semi unnerving but still charming thing that classic AmazingPhil had back in the day. If Phil is being denied the ability to be creative in other avenues my advice to him (always) is to do what you want to do anyway because I'd rather go down swinging and doing what makes me happy. It's incredible to me that AI video hasn't had more views because it is really damn good.

Anyway ... rant over. Lol

jmorton wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:15 pm Because I had some time on my hands I went back and looked at some Phil videos that he has not yet privated from his earliest days. I came to a very interesting conclusion doing a deep dive. I'll put it in a spoiler because it will be sorta long. In case anyone wants to read:

There is a video that, for some reason, still exists on Phil's channel that doesn't have many views but is probably the most instructive video of who I believe Phil actually is and not this persona he has put on since Dan and Phil moved to London.



I'll call your attention to Phil's basic demand that his actor friend show him his six pack. Confident, extremely sexual and slightly unnerving. This was the Phil I remember pre 2009. Could you imagine even 2011 Phil doing that? It's a change in tone and personality that is startling if you saw any of Phil's videos as time has marched on. He has privated so many videos from this era, ostensibly because he finds them cringey or he might find them problematic right now but as someone who started watching Phil pre-Dan it is weird to think about how much he has changed because he has sort of erased his own history. Here is Phil living the dream of being in a movie, strutting around confidently. In his element. It is jarring to see how much he changed.

Fast forward to Phil's Stereo video from 2020 when he announces he and Dan are buying a house:



Something that I think went under-spoken about is Phil casually mentioning he has pitched countless projects to YouTube, including a SciFi show that didn't pan out (timestamp 27:34). The interesting thing ... it sounds like this was a "Phil" only project. I, for one, would LOVE to see a SciFi Phil project. Talk about a perfect fit! I have a theory that since Phil subverted his on-camera persona to become more of a sidekick it leads people to underestimate all the creative shit he did prior to 2009. I think since Phil has sort of erased the thing that made him so unique prior to 2009, he has sort of cut off his nose to spite his face. Also it sounded in the video like Dan wanted to move on from it because you can clearly see it bothers Phil quite a bit.

I do wonder if Phil hadn't subverted his established persona so much if other things would have been open to him. Like that show that PJ did about 7 years ago. I want to make clear, I'm not blaming Dan for this ... I am saying Phil made calculated decisions to further his career in radio and on youtube. However the unintended consequence is he got trapped into being Dan's sidekick (not Dan's intention) and it's kind of kept him from doing what (IMO) he truly wants to do. Imagine a guy who made "The Basket" doing a SciFi show? Amazing.

This is why I was so encouraged by that AI video Phil did. It had that classic, semi unnerving but still charming thing that classic AmazingPhil had back in the day. If Phil is being denied the ability to be creative in other avenues my advice to him (always) is to do what you want to do anyway because I'd rather go down swinging and doing what makes me happy. It's incredible to me that AI video hasn't had more views because it is really damn good.

Anyway ... rant over. Lol

Kurapika wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:20 am d&p are wasting time not creating a podcast and streaming on twitch

Kurapika wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:20 am d&p are wasting time not creating a podcast and streaming on twitch

Catallena wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:26 pm

And there's the End Of Tour post.

Catallena wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:15 pm Phil talking about holes on TikTok.

I'm an old TikTok bashing hag even at the best of times, but it's hilarious how much better Phil is at this than Dan.

jmorton wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:18 am

Catallena wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:15 pm Phil talking about holes on TikTok.

I'm an old TikTok bashing hag even at the best of times, but it's hilarious how much better Phil is at this than Dan.

Same. I'm a million years old and my view of TikTok is it's just a hangout for teenagers. (even the use of the word hang out there probably tells you my age) HOWEVER ... Phil is more natural at it. I don't think Dan is capable of editing himself enough. Maybe Phil has found his calling?

Catallena wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:10 pm Dan heard us talking shit about his TikTok skills so he took revenge in a way that would really hurt us.